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Edge Suck Off - Towards the Ideal System

Edge Suck Off – Towards the Ideal System

| On 15, Aug 2000

First published in the Proceedings of the Altshuller Institute TRIZCON 2000, May, 2000.

Ian F Mitchell
Ilford Imaging UK Ltd


During the slide bead coating process a thick edge of emulsion is laid on the extreme outer edges of the coating.

A system consisting of a separator vessel, a vacuum pump, a holding tank and a nozzle had been designed and built to remove the excess emulsion from the edge of the wet coating.

Continuous maintenance was needed to keep the system operating and to stop the vacuum pump from being blocked by emulsion being carried over during the removal process.

To overcome these problems a series of components were added including a spray inside the separator vessel, a filter before the vacuum pump and eventually a second separator vessel.

This approach did not reduce the level of maintenance or improve the systems performance,

The newly acquired Techoptimiser Professional Edition software and the group who had been trained in its use were asked to come up with an improved method of Thick Edge Removal.

By using TOPE the original system was reduced from twelve components down to just two components costing just a few pounds, requiring only occasional cleaning and using a resource from the original system.

An additional benefit has also emerged from the development of the new system.

The photographic coating process.

One of the numerous methods for coating materials that are light sensitive is the slide bead process. This method of coating has been used successfully for many years for achieving the required accurate level of liquid distribution across the width of the material to be coated.

This process requires the cascade/ hopper to be positioned extremely accurately and very close to the substrate to be coated so that the liquid can pass down the inclined slide and pass across the coating gap fig1.

At each outer edge of coating a thick edge is generated by an edge guide to maintain positional accuracy of the edge of coating on the substrate. The thick edge also maintains the stability of the sheet of liquid passing across the gap and prevents necking from occurring which in turn would create an uneven edge to the coating and thus generate undue waste.

Once the thick edge of emulsion is on the base it has served its purpose. Due to the nature of the drying process the thick edge then has to be removed as the thick line of emulsion requires considerably more drying than the rest of the liquid sheet.

Edge Suck Off

System History

A system was designed to remove the thick edge of emulsion from the surface of the moving web. This consisted initially a vacuum pump, a separator vessel, a waste tank, a delivery pipe and a nozzle fig 2.

The idea behind the design was to suck the excess thick edge from the base where it would mix with the surrounding air to form a mixture. It would then be drawn along the delivery pipe into the separator vessel, the liquid and air mixture would then separate. The liquid falling onto the surface of the waste whilst the air would follow the route to the vacuum pump.

The delivery pipe entered the separator vessel tangentially to try and reduce the velocity of the mixture, hence giving it more chance to separate.

In the first instance the vacuum pump became blocked by emulsion which did considerable damage. To overcome this problem a filter was placed between the separator vessel and the vacuum pump but although there was some improvement after a period of time the vacuum pump again became blocked.

At this time a spray was added into the top of the separator vessel to try and stop the carry over from the separator vessel into the vacuum pump.

During this period products were changing and it became necessary to dilute the emulsion being picked up from the base with warm water to stop the nozzle and delivery pipe from becoming clogged.

There were still problems around separation and so yet another separator vessel with spray was added into the configuration.

Introduction of TRIZ and Techoptimiser to Ilford Imaging.

After two presentations by Graham Rawlinson of Next Step Associates, a visit to a seminar given by Ellen Domb in London and two presentations by myself to the Ilford Management Team it was decided to purchase a single licence for the Techoptimiser Professional edition (TOPE)

This was followed by a two day training course for eight people and after that I set up a weekly lunch time session for that group to meet and not only solve problems but also to educate ourselves in the tools of TRIZ.

The group were asked to look at the Edge Suck Off System and to see if it could be improved.

The following is how the group analysed the system. Then solved the problem using TOPE and how there were radical changes in the groups thoughts and ideas during the process.

What were the Objectives:-

1 To improve system performance:-

Separation of the emulsion was not happening inside either of the vessels.

2 To reduce maintenance:-

The system had to be stripped on a regular basis with parts being replaced because of blockage.

3 To stop the vacuum pump and filter from clogging:-

Even with the protection of two separator vessels the vacuum pump and filter were still becoming clogged.

4 To stop additional components from being added to the system:-

It was quite clear that all previous efforts had just complicated the problem. Compromise had been used everywhere.

The Path through TOPE to solve the problem

The first thing to do when using the TOPE software is to fill out the objectives and limitations around the existing system, then build a function model of the system.

By doing this you are aware of the constraints you are working within and it is possible to argue that you have thought about the ideal system.

All the components were built into the function model showing useful, harmful and insufficient actions linking the various components.

Immediately it is possible to see that there are a series of contradictions in the existing system.

The delivery pipe has the useful effect of transporting the mixture but the detrimental

effect of causing the mixture to solidify during transportation

The initial function model can be seen in fig 3.

The nozzle water has the useful effect of diluting the coating solution but the harmful effect of coagulating the coating solution.

There is the useful effect of the air aiding the transport of the coating solution but the harmful effect of mixing with it which, with the existing system requires it to be separated.

There is also the insufficient effect between the separator vessel and the mixture itself and the insufficient effect that the filter was having on the vacuum pump.

Finally there is the problem of the spray in the top of the vessels having a harmful effect.

Initial Ideas

From this some initial ideas of what could be done with the system were discussed.

1 Improve separation of the emulsion within the vessel to stop the emulsion getting past the filter and into the vacuum pump.

2 A method to stop the mixture clogging the delivery pipe needed to be found.

3 At this point there was still much discussion within the group about solving the problem without having analysed the situation properly.

All the links between the components were then assigned values to show their importance within the system.

This was done by consensus within the group and the “expert” who new the system.

Begin to Trim

The component that came out at the top of the list for the trimming process was the water spray as it was close to the product and also having a harmful effect. It was not stopping the emulsion from carrying over into the vacuum vessel.

With this removed from the system it did not look very different from before but it would save some energy costs. The question of improving the system performance still had to be answered so the trimming process was continued. Discussion still centred around methods of separating the emulsion from its carrier, the water and air mixture.

The next component on the list was the separator vessel. At this point the question was asked how can there be a system to separate emulsion without the separator vessel?

There was now a radical change in our direction of thinking. If the separator vessel could be eliminated why try and separate the mixture at all? In its present form the material we were doing all this work to was scrap. There must be a way of getting the material from where it was to where it was needed, with the minimum amount of work.

We did not stop at this point and continued with the trimming process to see if there was a way of reducing the system itself to a much fewer number of components than it was presently built from.

Further ideas discussed at this stage included the use of a liquid ring pump. This would be able to handle the mixture of air, emulsion and water but would still consume a relatively high level of energy to keep the system working. Further investigations also suggested that there would be a considerable increase in the amount of water that we were presently using. There was also the feeling that it would still be far away from an ideal system

We were now at the stage of completely removing the vacuum pump and filter and just leaving the nozzle, nozzle water and the delivery pipe.

The system was considerably reduced from the original starting point of eleven components. All that was left was the nozzle through which the liquid must travel, the delivery pipe from the nozzle to the reprocessing plant, water to stop the emulsion from clogging the nozzle, the emulsion itself and the surrounding environment, air.

Fig 4 shows the trimmed model.

Towards the Ideal System

What was needed was a method of removing the liquid from the web and sending it to our reprocessing area by only using water and our existing nozzle.

Now with a much trimmed down system there were still some questions to be answered that were raised at the very beginning.

1 How to overcome “solidifies” in delivery pipe

2 How to get the emulsion off the moving web and into the delivery pipe with just the available resources.

By using the Prediction module in conjunction with the 76 Standard Solutions the following concepts were developed.

Surround the emulsion, air, water mixture with a new substance.

PTFE lined delivery pipe.

Co-axially inject water around the mixture to keep it away from the pipe wall.

Introduce a modified substance into the emulsion at the point of removal from the base i.e. wetting agent

Something that came up in our search was that Rhythm co-ordination was not an option. The energy increase would cause greater coagulation. This was something that could not be considered.

By now moving to the physical effects data base a method needed to be found whereby a liquid could be lifted from the surface of the moving web by using the available resources of water and nozzle.

This came in the form of the Venturi nozzle using the Bernoulli effect. This fitted in perfectly with the requirement of just using water and the nozzle to remove the emulsion from the base material.

After a small amount of searching a supplier was found who was able to supply a nozzle to match the demands of the system.

This has since been thoroughly been tested and proven to be very effective.

The issue of clogging in the delivery pipe has been resolved by the use of water from the venturi nozzle diluting the emulsion to a greater degree than before.

There is also the added benefit that when the mixture reaches the reprocessing plant it does not have to be diluted further. The water used in the venturi nozzle does this well enough not to have to dilute it again.

Fig 5 shows the schematic of the built system.


By using TOPE the system went from 12 components to just two components.

The venturi nozzle and the delivery pipe.

Maintenance has been virtually eliminated.

A radical change in the direction of the groups thinking took place during the analysis.

The emulsion is still removed from the edge of the moving substrate without detriment to the product,

We no longer have to dilute the emulsion once it gets to the reprocessing area as the water in the venturi does that for us,

The device only costs £90


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